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Team Fortress 2 => Complains/Bans => Topic started by: Vector-Alpha on August 05, 2022, 07:24:16 PM
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While I am emphatic when I play, since the server has become auto-join and I often default to Enforcers team, his friends and he tell me not to talk, and then talk shit about me. When I do speak up about the way they are treating me, a few times I have been banned. I pay my monthly fee and have been playing on this server for several years - Enforcer is maybe on here for 3 or 4 years and like I have pointed out, he doesnt like when I talk and his friends agree (trinsic and wolfpup-mostly), so I totally feel like they are bullying me. I will report this type of behaviour to Steam if they continue to abuse this admin previlage on TF2 or any other game, not cool. I have dozens of friends playing on this server and I will petition them to boycott Hyperion because of abusive treament. Please address this issue. No one else complains about my speaking during gameplay, in fact I am often encouraged to speak. Individual players can mute if they don't want to hear me talk, but these guys have gone too far.
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Wolfcunt was threated to ban me by speaking out for Vector when I messaged Enforcer. I told Enforcer it is not fair to Vector he could have just muted him and play the game. When Enforcer spoke on the server telling me don't talk to him about it and that's when Wolfcunt said one more word from me he is going to ban me too.
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Wolfcunt was threated to ban me by speaking out for Vector when I messaged Enforcer. I told Enforcer it is not fair to Vector he could have just muted him and play the game. When Enforcer spoke on the server telling me don't talk to him about it and that's when Wolfcunt said one more word from me he is going to ban me too.
https://youtu.be/HVmtMU-zk7k
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I had the same shit happen tonight. Apparently, if you disagree with an admin now they can say you're personally "targeting" them, but I'm not targeting you because of who you are, I'm targeting you because of your role as admin and the decisions you make. How am I a bully for speaking against admins? You can't have it both ways.
I got autobalanced and the instant I hit the other team wolfpup started going in on me for being sniper. I ended up leaving and playing a different game because he just wouldn't accept that I just got autobalanced.
I started playing here because I saw all the chevrons from slaughterhouse people, but it's really becoming a weird dramatic place and not so fun.
I understand that since I made my other post that I've been placed on a list by enforcer and wolfpup of people who have complained. If it's really like that on this server, just ban people and don't be all dramatic.
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I know Vector can be loud and annoying but this doesn't seem like a bannable issue. People can simply mute vector on their end. If he was tele-griefing, harasssing people, or hacking etc.. it would make 100% sense but banning him because he is loud? Overkill imo.
Wolfpup has a right to be frustrated but to flip out like that to cowking and threaten a ban when he hasn't broken any rule? cmon
- Vade
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I hope this ban appeal/complaint gets seen and addressed for a few reasons.
First- Vector can be loud or exuberant on the server, but he doesn't speak out more than a lot of other regular players do, and he is infinitely more positive when he does speak. He gives gameplay tips and strategies, and he encourages players to do stuff to win or support the team. By contrast, many of the other talkative regulars are such emotion-sucking vampire downers to listen to that you're left with the choice of muting them or slitting your fucking wrists to end your exposure to their personal drama. If the general admin consensus about dealing with the overly-talkative-but-sad players is to use your personal mute to avoid listening to them - it stands to reason that using your personal mute to avoid hearing Vector should be the go-to action, too.
Second - Vector was banned by an admin (Wolfpup) with a strong history of questionable decisions and behavior. Aside from his batshit insane personal history which he's publicly shared with the entire server on more than one occasion, he has no qualms about threatening players or screaming at them over the mic. When I say screaming, I really and truly mean screaming on the microphone. The way he addresses players he doesn't agree with is disrespectful and abhorrent, and I was (& am shocked) an admin is allowed to behave in such a way. When I say that, I am speaking from a place of experience too - I was an admin for the BHS/Slaughterhouse servers for approx.. 5 years, and any admin acting as Wolfpup acts would've been bounced so fast his head would spin. Wolfpup also does almost nothing in the server outside of change the map to Great Heights when he's upset a team wins a round too fast, and you can see that in his sourceban activity page - when compared to other admins, even admins who play less, he has handed out almost no valid bans in years.
So to sum it all up - if personal mutes are the way most of the admin team advises we deal with players we don't want to hear, and the admins themselves use personal mutes to avoid hearing from players - maybe just unban Vector and allow the admins to personally mute him if they don't want to hear him. On a deeper level, though, you have an admin, Wolfpup, running around and *only* handing out bans for players he doesn't like, threatening players he doesn't agree with, and just generally bringing the place down.
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Free Vector until its backwards
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Heres my take. For what its worth.
I had vector muted for years. And I recently unmuted him. Hes tolerable now. Even often fun. But, anyone has the option to mute him.
A few months back when you had the choice to join a team, it would always be certain players on one team, certain players on the other. The one team would nearly always beat the other team. Handily. My view is, enforcer is a good admin but a team killer as a player. I would ALWAYS go opposite him. The proof is in the pudding with a 30% win rate. But as a player hes well known for talking politics. Exclusively left wing politics. Any response would be rebuked. If you didnt agree with his politics you would be shut down. Honestly, we have parks bigger than his country. I dont care about his opinion on covid, donald trump or anything else. As a player? He will nearly always lead the board. But he requires a medic to play. And thats often wolfpup. And he rarely wins. Because hes talking about movies, or politics, or sheep or whateever while on the other team we have call outs and precise locations of guns and teleporters. The guy is a good admin but in my opinion a team killer as a player. I do not like playing on his team and when given the choice would go opposite. But that option was shut down because one team was nearly always winning over the other team.
Wolfpup is a team killer. A year or so ago we opened on a map and 9 seconds into the map, sawmill I believe, wolfpup was perma healing (ATTACHED and never breaks from enforcer) and a spy killed wolfpup. Enforcer and wolfpup went ballistic on pyros for not spy checking. Very similar to the voice file above. At that point I muted enforcer. Wolfpup will often demand that the team plays 3 engies and 3 medics and if the team doesnt, he'll then start complaining how we're going to lose and about his back. Who are you to tell others what to play? what makes you qualified? Its a 15 year old F2P non comp game. People should play what they have fun with. NO ONE elected ANYONE team leader. So stop giving orders. but if you dont listen you will be yelled at. Unfortunately, I cannot just switch teams and avoid the drama these two bring to the game. Now im forced to be on their team.
I play this game for 4-5 reasons.
I dont give a single, solitary fuck about a win or a loss. I do love a really good game tho. But I play because I enjoy blowing people off cliffs, spawn camping as pyro, teabagging and my custom made sprays. I dont need wolfpup yelling at me or others to play a certain class, usually to make him feel better about himself or to enhance his game play. I own my own company and I am my own boss. I dont get on TF2 to have a boss tell me what to do.
I undertstand the other night enforcer was calling me names and talking smack. Which is truly sad because I cannot even hear him. If I dont like someone or wish to play with them I will simply switch teams, mute them or leave and come back like an adult.
Some assign themselves the role of team leader. And yes, admins are often abusing their powers. Dont even get me started on enzo and killing the server. Tonight even the map was switching constantly without input. the map doesnt need admins to switch the server constantly. Players have RTV for that and if they decide to switch and the mob agrees, the server will be switched.
Anyway, i play here because sometimes really old, talented and skilled players still come here. I enjoy the occasional really good game in a game that ive dedicated well more than 15 years to.
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I think the bottom line is that this ban is totally unjustified since its on the premise of one admin being mad at a donor for taking the spotlight away from them since it meant that they themselves couldn't unload their own personal baggage and get sympathy from the rest of the server. In the end we get Vector being banned for a week so an admin can feel better about themselves.
I would 100% rather listen to a player talk about the game, even if it is rambling and incoherent at times (lol), than listen to someone drone on and on about their own personal problems with drugs and painkillers and grievances with other players. The server is not your personal therapy session. Please find help elsewhere.
We also have a lot of new admins that actually play on the server instead of showing up time to time to create drama, so maybe the admin list needs a bit of pruning.
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Just gonna throw this out there. I'd offer $1500 for the server.
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So for the record I like playing with Vector. And I dont think it should be a banable offense. Maybe a temp voice mute. The problem I have is with the volume of voice traffic he is sending. Most of it repetitive which is good to get the team motivated. But in my judgement not very helpful from a tactical perspective.
I asked him a few times if he could cut down on the amount of messages he is sending through voice chat, so I could get some critical locations out to the rest of the team and I get the usual "Shut er mouth" response. That's fine, but not really helpful either.
So I think yes I could and do mute him but relevant information that other people want to communicate to the rest of the team often gets drowned out by Vectors communications. I give him shit about it because he cant distinguish between helpful and not helpful communication. Its just like someone that wants to be heard kind of scenario.
I know there are many on this server that just want to have fun and don't really care about the quality of voice communication, but the quality of it has a significant impact on the gaming experience for everyone IMHO.
My ask is that have fun, and talk about things, but when it comes to out of game related voice communication, or if you find that you are talking a lot and preventing others from getting there voice out about the game, please keep that stuff brief. There are also people that like to play tactical, even if this is TF2.
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Hello Everyone!!!
Wow! I read everyone's post regarding the issue at hand. I respect everyone's thoughts, opinions and expressions. There is so much to say about the individual players on Hyperion. Some come to have fun, some want to be a real team player, some players want good communication in game while others just want to enjoy socializing and talk about stuff, like politics, lighting someone's tip etc. or whatever comes up. I still love playing on Hyperion. I except that some individuals who are mostly male/gay/panda or however they want to identify themselves as, can be rude and just plain insecure when they are mean to others or to me! for that matter.
I would say I'm very competitive and love a good game when both teams give it their all!!
What I would like to express is that I enjoy everyone's individuality and I feel we are all kids inside that are still working on our own emotional intelligence. We all love playing TF2 and I think each and every one of us should take responsibility in how we react to each other. All of us are not perfect and we all need to be respected (have fun and kid around) but not hurting each other. We all error and we all need to allow others to make mistakes without someone feeling ostracized. I love those who try to communicate and encourage others in game. Sure, we might all get excited and be rowdy at times but that's normal.
I feel ostracizing, banning, vote mute and punishing individuals without fair waring is wrong. Each player can mute others if they want and should not influence others to do so. However, each one should look at themselves and give yourself an honest evaluation if you have been rude, abusive toward others and no one has called you OUT on it yet!!! I know some who have. Look at yourself and then issues will be resolved. Stop pointing at people and let's look at ourselves to see HOW WE CAN CHANGE and not the other person. I have been abused on this Hyperion Server, but I know who I am because I chose to play here and stand on my own with my warrior self. Be the change you want to see and if not its not the other person's fault. Thank you and continue to be kind to YOURSELF
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I am saying this as someone who doesn't like Vector and thinks he is insufferable. Banning him is stupid it's not any different than anyone else running their mouth on the server desperate for attention. I find it annoying because I like to keep things short and to the point. But I have no control over other people so I just mute them if I have a problem with it.
And as someone who has been on the receiving end of Wolfpup's vitriol for nothing more than not having a firm grasp on the game yet. Wolfpup needs to calm his tits. He loses his temper too easily which could be attributed to his chronic pain, but I have similar health issues and I'm not just raging at everyone
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I guess Wolfpup was having a bad day, he was even yelling at Hankey before the ban happened (and who ever yells at Hankey? .... j/k don't answer that question LOL):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_J054GOHO2s
I don't have any video of the Vector ban itself unfortunately. I was on the other team when it happened and heard about it after the fact, so it's hard to form an unbiased opinion.
That said, from all the comments here and from everything else I heard, it appears Vector was banned out of emotion, and not because he broke any server rules. (but prove me wrong otherwise, maybe there's something I missed).
We all know Vector can consume the voice channel with high utilization (which a precious resource since there is only 1 channel per team). And muting is the only option you can if you're in the latter group, but understandably this function is far from perfect and has other consequences. Anyway, everyone has an opinion on him, love him or hate him.
There's varying levels of skill and try-hardness on this server as well. I'm very competitive inside, and want to win most of the time, but no matter what I'm always looking to have fun. So much so, that I made a youtube channel to post any crazy or funny moment that I witnessed, or was a part of. I love this community and hope to be part of it for a long time to come.
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This server went from being one of the best to quickly devolving into a shit show, all because of petty admin abuse. The admin team should be culled because some people just can't handle a little bit of inconsequential authority.
Enforcer has become a full on mall cop recently. Banning people needlessly, petitioning for a shitty script to force teams, which ruins the entire dynamic of the team selection and scrambles strategic play. Things were working fine for a long time.
For the record, I've had Vector muted from the beginning because some nights I don't want to be hyped. This is fine. He doesn't bother me. He's one of the sweetest guys in this cursed game. But banning someone because you choose to listen to their helpful gameplay commentary and getting steamed over it, it's entirely on you.
Plasma, you don't need 20 Karens ruining this place needlessly. Get rid of this stupid script, thin out the admin team and things will go back to normal.
Here's an idea: if you don't like playing on a losing team, get better or join the stronger team. There's no such thing as "team stacking". You can join whichever team you want. Ironically, the new auto-balance script is easily gamed and you can also jump into spec and choose the team if you're an admin. Funny how that works.
tl;dr Vector did nothing wrong.
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While I am emphatic when I play
so I totally feel like they are bullying me.
AHAHAHAH!
Are you Conservative? Cause you are taking one right out of their playbook! 'gets held accountable, then plays the victim'
...his friends and he tell me not to talk, and then talk shit about me. When I do speak up about the way they are treating me, a few times I have been banned.
Whitewash much?
We ask you to stop SCREAMING INTO THE MIC, the same sentence over and over and over and over and over! You "speaking up for yourself" sure sounds like telling us to "fuck off" and "shut the fuck up" and the like.
I pay my monthly fee and have been playing on this server for several years
It doesn't give you the right to do the aforementioned
Enforcer is maybe on here for 3 or 4 years and like I have pointed out, he doesnt like when I talk and his friends agree (trinsic and wolfpup-mostly), so I totally feel like they are bullying me.
Nice terminology. We have both told you repeatedly we have no issue with you talking! We do have issue with you screaming what basically equates to mic spamming!
Did your parents ever hold you accountable for your actions growing up? Because it sure doesn't seem so. Or they did and you decided to just throw their good parenting in their face for internet lolz. We simply hold you to account for your screaming and yelling. But yeah, let's call it bullying.
I will report this type of behaviour to Steam if they continue to abuse this admin previlage on TF2 or any other game, not cool.
They will simply point you to do what you are doing here, bring it to the owners attention and take it up with them.
I have dozens of friends playing on this server and I will petition them to boycott Hyperion because of abusive treament.
One mans accountability is another mans abuse I guess. It would be a crying shame rather than you manning up, stopping screaming the same shit over and over in game and we all carry on fragging each other in game. Punishing Plasma because you can't follow the rules seems wrong, no? Same question to his friends? I know several of you don't like me, that's fine, but to act like what he does is ok just to take a stable at me, not cool.
No one else complains about my speaking during gameplay
Oh I beg to differ. (And you spelled "screaming" wrong.) Maybe your to busy screaming "Up the left team Up the left everybody we're going up the left come on people up the left" to hear them, maybe?
Individual players can mute if they don't want to hear me talk, but these guys have gone too far.
Yes, they do. I am not an individual, I am an admin so I have to be able to respond to any request without having to go in an un-mute players to do so.
And again, I have told you several times I have no issue with you talking game talk like the rest of the people do, it the repetitive screaming we have issue with! But you play the victim.
Wolfcunt
Let's start right there....and Vector thinks I have person feelings in this?
Wolfcunt was threated to ban me by speaking out for Vector when I messaged Enforcer.
Yes, yes I did, and was I wrong? Why yes I was. I do apologize to you and Zed but I'm at the end of my rope with Vector, and I'm not alone. (See Vector, that's how you own up to something you've done wrong, you apologize and endeavour not to do it again.) So the last think I need to hear is people trying to make me out like the bad guy here when Vector has had ample verbal warnings, temp mic bans, and lets be clear here, this, my first time EVER banning Vector!! ...for a week. And this is over months, and months! It can not be argued he was not given ample warnings, dare I say more than some would have received. (Partially because I knew this here thread was the exact outcome I was trying to avoid. We all know there are lines in the sand drawn!) Now he has to man up, deal with the consequences of his actions and in a weeks time he can come play again. Hopefully learning something in that time. You act like he's been IP banned or something!
I told Enforcer it is not fair to Vector he could have just muted him and play the game.
After everything I've typed previously, please do share how this is "not fare"?
I had the same shit happen tonight. Apparently, if you disagree with an admin now they can say you're personally "targeting" them, but I'm not targeting you because of who you are, I'm targeting you because of your role as admin and the decisions you make. How am I a bully for speaking against admins? You can't have it both ways.
Who claimed you were personally targeting them???
I got autobalanced and the instant I hit the other team wolfpup started going in on me for being sniper. I ended up leaving and playing a different game because he just wouldn't accept that I just got autobalanced.
Says the guy who takes any comment, not even directed at him at times as personal! I was making the whole team aware we don't need more that 2 snipers. I didn't even know you were auto-balanced nor playing sniper but you assumed it was directed solely at you. It had nothing to do with accepting you were auto-balanced. Another victim.
I started playing here because I saw all the chevrons from slaughterhouse people, but it's really becoming a weird dramatic place and not so fun.
I understand that since I made my other post that I've been placed on a list by enforcer and wolfpup of people who have complained. If it's really like that on this server, just ban people and don't be all dramatic.
You should hear the things people say about you, you apparently bring some of the weird drama yourself! But right, you are the victim because you read more into something than was implied. My bad.
LMFAO! What list? I didn't give 2 shit's one way or another about it......when I read it only recently!!! Again, you have perceived some slight were there was none.
I know Vector can be loud and annoying but this doesn't seem like a bannable issue.
What would you do, after he has been muted MANY times in the past, asked nicely to please stop, just for him to start right back up if not the next day. Then more recently just telling us to shut the fuck up and fuck off.
Obviously the soft approach has failed. So, what would you do, seriously, what is left to try? And again, it's for 7 days.....SEVEN DAYS. You'd think I was looking to string him up or something.
Wolfpup has a right to be frustrated but to flip out like that to cowking and threaten a ban when he hasn't broken any rule? cmon
And as mentioned you are correct, I shouldn't have done it no questions!
A few months back when you had the choice to join a team, it would always be certain players on one team, certain players on the other.
And here is were part of this whole thing started to go south, IMO. I've always been open and honest with my opinion about the auto-join, I'm not a fan. Beforehand, it was understood "Blu" team didn't care about Vector's screaming, if they did they just muted him and they prefer to not talk as much other than in game call outs. Those of us on "Red" team prefer not to hear it, and like to talk outside game stuff. Some on Blu don't like to play Red because, and visa versa for the opposite reasons.
So with the auto-scramble people are forced to play with people they'd rather not, or don't get to play with their friends like before.
Hes tolerable now.
Even often fun.
But, anyone has the option to mute him.
He can be from time to time yes, I would agree.
It's been known to happen.
See previous statement on this!
Wolfpup is a team killer. A year or so ago we opened on a map and 9 seconds into the map, sawmill I believe, wolfpup was perma healing (ATTACHED and never breaks from enforcer)
Please, tell me I've never said out loud that I try and over-heal everyone around me because it increases MY survivability. Do I pocket Enforcer a lot? Yup, because he's proven time and time again I can count on him to accomplish something unlike others. Do I only uber him, at time, but ask the others who I trust to uber if I never pocket for them.
Wolfpup will often demand that the team plays 3 engies and 3 medics and if the team doesnt, he'll then start complaining how we're going to lose and about his back. Who are you to tell others what to play? what makes you qualified? Its a 15 year old F2P non comp game.
Well after all these years playing, yes, 3 engies and 3 medics tend to help red hold the objective better than with less. Are there times we do fine with less? Sure! But I'd hazard a good guess more often than not 3+3 wins out more often than not 3+3. I bet it's been the reason a steam roll has been squashed, quite often by me asking people to fill the rolls in this TEAM based game.
...usually to make him feel better about himself
or to enhance his game play
Lol, you got me.
What, you mean like help me to survive so I can continue to heal, and over-heal everyone around me? The nerve eh? How dare I request my team support their medics! (Engies give us a front line to fall back to and medics obviously help in staying alive, it aint rocket science.
I think the bottom line is that this ban is totally unjustified since its on the premise of one admin being mad at a donor for taking the spotlight away from them since it meant that they themselves couldn't unload their own personal baggage and get sympathy from the rest of the server. In the end we get Vector being banned for a week so an admin can feel better about themselves.
I'll start by saying sorry to you for threatening to ban you. I was wrong! They were idol threats BTW. (The old Zed would have known that.)
Damn, you guys are good. You have me all figured out now don't'cha.
Yet someone else with the "personal feelings" I supposedly was using. At least be a creative troll if you are going to troll.
I would 100% rather listen to a player talk about the game, even if it is rambling and incoherent at times (lol), than listen to someone drone on and on about their own personal problems with drugs and painkillers and grievances with other players. The server is not your personal therapy session. Please find help elsewhere.
Like Vector, you spelled "scream" wrong. ;)
Sorry, does me having friends, to whom the comments are directed offend you for some reason? You can always mute me, like others keep suggesting in this thread. So Zed, I'm the same I've always been. I've always talked with Enforcer, Colo, Reggie, in game. Why now is it an issue?
So for the record I like playing with Vector. And I dont think it should be a banable offense. Maybe a temp voice mute. The problem I have is with the volume of voice traffic he is sending. Most of it repetitive which is good to get the team motivated. But in my judgement not very helpful from a tactical perspective.
So, I put it to you as well, after many temp comm bans, asking him nicely, then demanding it of him he stop, to no avail, what would you do?
I hope this ban appeal/complaint gets seen and addressed for a few reasons.
First- Vector can be loud or exuberant on the server, but he doesn't speak out more than a lot of other regular players do,
and he is infinitely more positive when he does speak. He gives gameplay tips and strategies, and he encourages players to do stuff to win or support the team.
If he spoke, it wouldn't be an issue. ;)
Repeating the same thing over and over at the top of your lungs, even if game tips is not positive or helpful.
it stands to reason that using your personal mute to avoid hearing Vector should be the go-to action, too.
Addressed
Second - Vector was banned by an admin (Wolfpup) with a strong history of questionable decisions and behavior.
Do share
Aside from his batshit insane personal history which he's publicly shared with the entire server on more than one occasion,
he has no qualms about threatening players or screaming at them over the mic.
Sorry if me being blunt about my life is too much for. I wasn't talking to you anyway.
You make it like I do it on a daily basis. Who do I threaten, and with what? (Other than last night seeing I already addressed it.)
I'm fine with whatever Plasma wants to do but some of you are outright LYING in this thread! If you don't like me, fine, mute me, but don't let your "personal feelings" make you lie just because you don't like me or my decisions.
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If ZED thinks it's unjustified, then it's probably unjustified.
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you banned him because you dont like him
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you banned him because you dont like him
You are welcome to your opinion, even if it is wrong.
Have I said I hate when he screams into the mic, the same thing repeatedly? Yup, you are damned straight! But one does not equate the other. ;)
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im not going to justify anything because i don't have to my one and only word on this is simple and its this. Its a pity that people are so fast to whine but wont contribute. Ive done more for the server than half of you put together so don't drag me into shit. I have heard the same bullshit criticism about all the other admins (new and old) as well, changing the map, scrambling the teams blah blah. I received the same criticize for banning wagz for map exploitation and banning build nye for spraying animal porn on the server both refused to stop it after months of warnings i finally had had enough (as wolfpup had the other night).
Everyone on here is doing the best they can to keep things running and everyone is only human. If that isnt not good enough TOO FUCKING BAD. If plasma wants to remove me from this admin im happy to move to another server.....but until he does so im going to support the people that are trying to keep the server alive for everyone. I will listen to peoples opinions and we have changed a lot of the server to try and make it better but that doesn't mean im going to do what everyone wants. If you want to make the server better contribute DON'T WHINE and don't message me whining about admins decisions "Enzo's done this" and "Big Caulk has done this" blah blah
To put the whole thing is perspective which most of you people are conveniently avoiding. Vector has 50 com bans why don't one of you go to oparh's and scream into the mike for 3 hours drunken and belligerent and refuse to tone it down when asked reasonably and be abusive to the admins there and see how long it is before you are banned or indeed on any other server. Everyone is human and we all have different limits because i have tolerated his drunken arrogant bullshit for years doesn't mean everyone is going to.
Dont bother responding to this post as i wont be posting anything more about it Im not required to justify anything in life or in the game its already 10 minutes of my life i can't get back. Deal with it
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In my experience this is the essence of Wolfpup. He assigns himself team leader of every team. And if you dont play what he demands, it angers him. Of course, if you lose, he told you so and will remind you. If you win, his back hurts.
Toxic. People come here to unwind. If I wanted to get yelled at I would have gotten married. I dont need a boss in a 15 year old non comp F2P game. Besides that, who are you to give me play advice?
I guess Wolfpup was having a bad day, he was even yelling at Hankey before the ban happened (and who ever yells at Hankey? .... j/k don't answer that question LOL):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_J054GOHO2s
I don't have any video of the Vector ban itself unfortunately. I was on the other team when it happened and heard about it after the fact, so it's hard to form an unbiased opinion.
That said, from all the comments here and from everything else I heard, it appears Vector was banned out of emotion, and not because he broke any server rules. (but prove me wrong otherwise, maybe there's something I missed).
We all know Vector can consume the voice channel with high utilization (which a precious resource since there is only 1 channel per team). And muting is the only option you can if you're in the latter group, but understandably this function is far from perfect and has other consequences. Anyway, everyone has an opinion on him, love him or hate him.
There's varying levels of skill and try-hardness on this server as well. I'm very competitive inside, and want to win most of the time, but no matter what I'm always looking to have fun. So much so, that I made a youtube channel to post any crazy or funny moment that I witnessed, or was a part of. I love this community and hope to be part of it for a long time to come.
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If you want to make the server better contribute
Posting to the forums here or speaking with an admin privately is honestly the only way 99% of the server can contribute. Not everyone is made to be an admin, and the job can be hard at times when something controversial happens. This thread might be upsetting or annoying to read, but it's a valid way to reach out over server events. Because the admins are a team and you might know one admin but not know another, unfortunately it's just part of the job to hear about stupid shit another admin may or may not have done.
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PREACH IT
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I don't think this is a fair or justifiable violation of the rules. I just want to quickly weigh in my two-cents that it doesn't seem like he actually broke any rule. I'm a moderator of a community with 150k members & if I were to ban someone for something like this, my mod privilege would be taken away very quickly.
As admins your job is supposed to be done stoically & from what I've gathered (I wasn't there, only saw videos) this is all emotion. Vector's incessant "go left" or "go right" while true can be very annoying at times-- I find incredibly helpful. The constant reminder to do something & where to go, I have found being very good at directing myself. I believe this is a total miscall on the admins side since he's not doing anything offensive, like name-calling, porn sprays, exploits (actions that would justify a ban) and is instead just in disagreement with an admin.
I ask you to please reconsider & find other options of settling the dispute like the aforementioned "mute" it doesn't make sense to ban such an active member of a dying community.
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"Are you conservative.." Thanks for reinforcing what we're saying. We really dont care about your politics. Clearly, left leaning and if anyone disagrees they are punished.
"Accuse others that which you yourself are guilty" - Joseph Goebbels, Hitlers propoganda minister.
Text book.
AHAHAHAH!
Are you Conservative? Cause you are taking one right out of their playbook! 'gets held accountable, then plays the victim'
Whitewash much?
We ask you to stop SCREAMING INTO THE MIC, the same sentence over and over and over and over and over! You "speaking up for yourself" sure sounds like telling us to "fuck off" and "shut the fuck up" and the like.
It doesn't give you the right to do the aforementioned
Nice terminology. We have both told you repeatedly we have no issue with you talking! We do have issue with you screaming what basically equates to mic spamming!
Did your parents ever hold you accountable for your actions growing up? Because it sure doesn't seem so. Or they did and you decided to just throw their good parenting in their face for internet lolz. We simply hold you to account for your screaming and yelling. But yeah, let's call it bullying.
They will simply point you to do what you are doing here, bring it to the owners attention and take it up with them.
One mans accountability is another mans abuse I guess. It would be a crying shame rather than you manning up, stopping screaming the same shit over and over in game and we all carry on fragging each other in game. Punishing Plasma because you can't follow the rules seems wrong, no? Same question to his friends? I know several of you don't like me, that's fine, but to act like what he does is ok just to take a stable at me, not cool.
Oh I beg to differ. (And you spelled "screaming" wrong.) Maybe your to busy screaming "Up the left team Up the left everybody we're going up the left come on people up the left" to hear them, maybe?
Yes, they do. I am not an individual, I am an admin so I have to be able to respond to any request without having to go in an un-mute players to do so.
And again, I have told you several times I have no issue with you talking game talk like the rest of the people do, it the repetitive screaming we have issue with! But you play the victim.
Let's start right there....and Vector thinks I have person feelings in this?
Yes, yes I did, and was I wrong? Why yes I was. I do apologize to you and Zed but I'm at the end of my rope with Vector, and I'm not alone. (See Vector, that's how you own up to something you've done wrong, you apologize and endeavour not to do it again.) So the last think I need to hear is people trying to make me out like the bad guy here when Vector has had ample verbal warnings, temp mic bans, and lets be clear here, this, my first time EVER banning Vector!! ...for a week. And this is over months, and months! It can not be argued he was not given ample warnings, dare I say more than some would have received. (Partially because I knew this here thread was the exact outcome I was trying to avoid. We all know there are lines in the sand drawn!) Now he has to man up, deal with the consequences of his actions and in a weeks time he can come play again. Hopefully learning something in that time. You act like he's been IP banned or something!
After everything I've typed previously, please do share how this is "not fare"?
Who claimed you were personally targeting them???
Says the guy who takes any comment, not even directed at him at times as personal! I was making the whole team aware we don't need more that 2 snipers. I didn't even know you were auto-balanced nor playing sniper but you assumed it was directed solely at you. It had nothing to do with accepting you were auto-balanced. Another victim.
You should hear the things people say about you, you apparently bring some of the weird drama yourself! But right, you are the victim because you read more into something than was implied. My bad.
LMFAO! What list? I didn't give 2 shit's one way or another about it......when I read it only recently!!! Again, you have perceived some slight were there was none.
What would you do, after he has been muted MANY times in the past, asked nicely to please stop, just for him to start right back up if not the next day. Then more recently just telling us to shut the fuck up and fuck off.
Obviously the soft approach has failed. So, what would you do, seriously, what is left to try? And again, it's for 7 days.....SEVEN DAYS. You'd think I was looking to string him up or something.
And as mentioned you are correct, I shouldn't have done it no questions!
And here is were part of this whole thing started to go south, IMO. I've always been open and honest with my opinion about the auto-join, I'm not a fan. Beforehand, it was understood "Blu" team didn't care about Vector's screaming, if they did they just muted him and they prefer to not talk as much other than in game call outs. Those of us on "Red" team prefer not to hear it, and like to talk outside game stuff. Some on Blu don't like to play Red because, and visa versa for the opposite reasons.
So with the auto-scramble people are forced to play with people they'd rather not, or don't get to play with their friends like before.
He can be from time to time yes, I would agree.
It's been known to happen.
See previous statement on this!
Please, tell me I've never said out loud that I try and over-heal everyone around me because it increases MY survivability. Do I pocket Enforcer a lot? Yup, because he's proven time and time again I can count on him to accomplish something unlike others. Do I only uber him, at time, but ask the others who I trust to uber if I never pocket for them.
Well after all these years playing, yes, 3 engies and 3 medics tend to help red hold the objective better than with less. Are there times we do fine with less? Sure! But I'd hazard a good guess more often than not 3+3 wins out more often than not 3+3. I bet it's been the reason a steam roll has been squashed, quite often by me asking people to fill the rolls in this TEAM based game.
Lol, you got me.
What, you mean like help me to survive so I can continue to heal, and over-heal everyone around me? The nerve eh? How dare I request my team support their medics! (Engies give us a front line to fall back to and medics obviously help in staying alive, it aint rocket science.
I'll start by saying sorry to you for threatening to ban you. I was wrong! They were idol threats BTW. (The old Zed would have known that.)
Damn, you guys are good. You have me all figured out now don't'cha.
Yet someone else with the "personal feelings" I supposedly was using. At least be a creative troll if you are going to troll.
Like Vector, you spelled "scream" wrong. ;)
Sorry, does me having friends, to whom the comments are directed offend you for some reason? You can always mute me, like others keep suggesting in this thread. So Zed, I'm the same I've always been. I've always talked with Enforcer, Colo, Reggie, in game. Why now is it an issue?
So, I put it to you as well, after many temp comm bans, asking him nicely, then demanding it of him he stop, to no avail, what would you do?
If he spoke, it wouldn't be an issue. ;)
Repeating the same thing over and over at the top of your lungs, even if game tips is not positive or helpful.
Addressed
Do share
Sorry if me being blunt about my life is too much for. I wasn't talking to you anyway.
You make it like I do it on a daily basis. Who do I threaten, and with what? (Other than last night seeing I already addressed it.)
I'm fine with whatever Plasma wants to do but some of you are outright LYING in this thread! If you don't like me, fine, mute me, but don't let your "personal feelings" make you lie just because you don't like me or my decisions.
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Sorry if me being blunt about my life is too much for. I wasn't talking to you anyway.
What you're doing is called trauma dumping, and it's not ok. If your friends want to hear about your arrest record, your drug problems, your racist past and all of the shit that seems to go wrong on a day to day basis - that's cool. That's what friends are for. They can listen to you and console you and give you advice privately. 15 other people on your team are stuck on a team listening to you when you do it in public on Hyperion, though. If you want us all to just mute you if we don't want to hear you, that should be good enough for dealing with Vector too. I had to mute you a long time ago after a screaming match - true screaming with my headphones tapping out at high volume - over religion between you and Kitty.
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Wow, that wall of text with quotes was extra cringey. "The old Zed would have known that" lol what. dude I barely talk to you, and you don't know me. You on the other hand, seem to care more about everyone knowing all of your issues and then using as a justification for your behavior.
Just say you were wrong, unban Vector and end all of this.
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Wow, that wall of text with quotes was extra cringey. "The old Zed would have known that" lol what. dude I barely talk to you, and you don't know me. You on the other hand, seem to care more about everyone knowing all of your issues and then using as a justification for your behavior.
Just say you were wrong, unban Vector and end all of this.
I completely agreed with Zed. You threated to ban me too for standing up for Vector. Let it sink in for a moment. You were trying to ban me for speaking out an unjustified ban.
https://youtu.be/HVmtMU-zk7k
I would like to thank Dr.Pancakes for posting this clip.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-axU4vccXQo
FYI I have Vector muted in this thus why you don't hear him.
Also for the record, Enforcer was going to do something and Wolfpup specifically asked him to wait so that he could be the one to ban Vector. He then banned him for 10000+ minutes and gleefully said "Enjoy you ban for the week"
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_AXNqPY8Luk
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Yea I definitely do NOT agree that the script has made thing worse on Hyperion. I has make the gaming experience marginally better as there is not as much team stacking IMHO. I appreciate the admins making that change btw.
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There you go thank you Brandon for posting these. Now we have another proof of what is truly going on. Wolfcunt was trying to ban me for speaking up.
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Thanks Brandon for the videos, truly sheds a light on the situation. An admin punishing players for petty personal reasons. Free Vector.
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I can't believe this fucking cunt such a pussy still lol. He can lick caviar off my fucking balls. You stupid faggot lol.
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There’s not much to say that hasn’t already been said, but it just seems odd to ban people (a donator even) over personal reasons. Obviously the mute button exists and no one has to listen to other players if they choose not to. For whatever it’s worth, I never muted vector and enjoyed the energy he brought to the server.
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I muted vector a long time ago... I dont mind him personally but like others have mentioned including the reason for the ban not muting him makes playing the game impossible for me especially when he is drunk. Same could be said for a few others. I dont worry about whether people can hear my call outs... i assume the people who are interested in playing the game or socializing muted him as well... I dont understand why people who have a problem with someone spamming the mic dont do the same.
That being said if vector is unbanned now its going to get worse... vector will be twice as bad as his behavior will be greenlit... which isnt a big deal if you have him muted but the problem is so will anyone else seeing this and deciding to give it a try themselves cause they think they can just call on their friends to raise hell... Regardless if it was a justifiable ban at this point keeping it in place seems like a better plan than encouraging those among us that like to stir up shit for grins.
Wolfpup apologized and admitted being wrong in threatening Cowking and Zed. I thought his post could of used alot of polishing and i mean alot but if he's admitting he shouldnt have done it not sure what left there is to say on that front even if the video's made it pretty clear that they werent idol threats. Clearly there is alot of animosity between some of us but i dont think lifting the ban on vector for the week is gonna do much to solve it. Perhaps we should all put our dicks back in our pants and try and work through the week without vector while trying to remember we are all part of the same community and maybe being a bit nicer to each other would go a long way (hope that isnt too christian for you Brandon you bigot) sorry that was uncalled for... sorry brandon... see? trying to be nice and apologize for adding my own bit of toxicity... we all got some in us... perhaps we let some of the shit slide, mute the people we dont like, and play the game or socialize while the server still has people willing to play on it.
Just my 2 cents.
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No matter the outcome, Brandon has the voice clips and it is GOLD.
Thanks Brandon for the videos, truly sheds a light on the situation. An admin punishing players for petty personal reasons. Free Vector.
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I muted and defriended vector awhile back. He was always a drunk asshole who could never get out of playing a character on tf2 with me even when I tried to talk to him. That said I don't think he needs to be banned. People can mute him as they see fit and he is active. I wish he was actually more of a human being than a character, but that can be said for a lot of people in tf2.
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No matter the outcome, Brandon has the voice clips and it is GOLD.
Fuck you, shut the fuck up. SHUT THE FUCK UP!
lmao
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Brandon's videos lack vectors side, here's everything that went down. #FreeVector
https://youtu.be/J1VTn18POIk
https://youtu.be/Wm2Y2k4n-3U
https://youtu.be/rWXQpyMOyf0
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I assume Victim Vector is heinrich. I would like to thank you for posting the whole thing. I don't regret for standing up for Vector. I have 2 admins on my friends list one is smile and the other one is Enforcer. I witnessed something unfair and I decided to speak up by messaging one of the admin Enforcer. Long story short Enforcer called me a pussy for speaking up and the other admin threated to ban me if I speak another word.
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Brandon's videos lack vectors side, here's everything that went down. #FreeVector
https://youtu.be/Wm2Y2k4n-3U
This is exactly what I mentioned in the edit on my post of my videos. You can clearly see how Wolfpup took enjoyment out of banning Vector and quite literally asked Enforcer to wait so he could be the one to do it. I assume this is because Enforcer would have likely only done a server mute on Vector and not banned him at all.
Thanks for posting with the Vector side.
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That being said if vector is unbanned now its going to get worse... vector will be twice as bad as his behavior will be greenlit...
If you're worried about this, I don't think it will be an issue. He has received admin mutes / silences before and hasn't come back as an even bigger, badder monster after that. He has had temp bands before and just been normal Vector afterwards.
i dont think lifting the ban on vector for the week is gonna do much to solve it. Perhaps we should all put our dicks back in our pants and try and work through the week without vector
What lifting the ban signifies is that both sides are sort of wrong here. It's been in place most of the weekend & lifting it before the entire week is over says "hey, you're on notice for this thing, but we acknowledge we sort of overreacted on it too so let's split the difference."
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That being said if vector is unbanned now its going to get worse... vector will be twice as bad as his behavior will be greenlit... which isnt a big deal if you have him muted but the problem is so will anyone else seeing this and deciding to give it a try themselves cause they think they can just call on their friends to raise hell... Regardless if it was a justifiable ban at this point keeping it in place seems like a better plan than encouraging those among us that like to stir up shit for grins.
On the other side of the coin, if we see this ban as unjustified and leave Vector banned, doesn't this greenlight poor admin behavior?
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On the other side of the coin, if we see this ban as unjustified and leave Vector banned, doesn't this greenlight poor admin behavior?
Any rebuttal to this? Because this is a legit concern of mine now.
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Vector is one of those well-meaning weirdos that keeps this place interesting. Dude's been nothing but himself for as long as I've known him, and only now does he get banned for interrupting your ad hoc AA meeting. You know, since Oprah’s now occupies the “tryhard server” niche, all Hyperion has going for itself is familiar faces.
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You should hear the things people say about you, you apparently bring some of the weird drama yourself!
I'd love to hear it and I sincerely hope that I'd take the feedback at least somewhat seriously as long as it isn't someone simply calling me a cunt or pussy. I really don't know what you are talking about. I know Kitty was mad when I kicked off the votemute on her, but she really was dominating the voice chat for weeks and muting was the appropriate response. She totally had the wrong take on that one when she said it was because she's a woman. What is the weird drama you're referencing? Whatever it was, there aren't four videos posted on youtube and a four-page forum post about it with tons of regulars weighing in asking me to be accountable for my bad decisions.
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Talk about some bigotry. Classic "Christian". What did the pandas do to you?
Why don't you read that RIGHT first!! before you judge my statement. We have fluid people who do not want to be called Male esp in the gay community since a lot identify themselves something else other than males. Not to mention a few are requesting GAY Admin's on Hyperion. Be kind to yourself as it's a reflection how you feel about yourself.
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Brandon's videos lack vectors side, here's everything that went down. #FreeVector
https://youtu.be/J1VTn18POIk
https://youtu.be/Wm2Y2k4n-3U
https://youtu.be/rWXQpyMOyf0
I'm sure this is the EXACT account of events that Plasma received from Wolfpup and Enforcer, right? /s
LMAO, yeah you don't have to unban Vector, just get rid of Wolfpup, permanently. He also must have blackmail on Enforcer or something to totally emasculate him into not acting to correct any of this.
Nice try to the both of you in trying to manipulate everyone on the server, including the other admins, to believe your account of events. Most of the people that play here are too passive to care so they must think they can just do whatever the fuck they want without question.
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I'd love to hear it and I sincerely hope that I'd take the feedback at least somewhat seriously as long as it isn't someone simply calling me a cunt or pussy. I really don't know what you are talking about. I know Kitty was mad when I kicked off the votemute on her, but she really was dominating the voice chat for weeks and muting was the appropriate response. She totally had the wrong take on that one when she said it was because she's a woman. What is the weird drama you're referencing? Whatever it was, there aren't four videos posted on youtube and a four-page forum post about it with tons of regulars weighing in asking me to be accountable for my bad decisions.
Just to comment on this statement about Kitty? (Kittie) I do my best to be balance and I am sorry for being a little wild over mic at times. I am very proud of myself for even speaking in game at all, because I don't like my voice, I never liked speaking in game, I am shy at times, but not everyone knows that I force myself to speak. I have learned to embrace who I am and learn to use my voice to try to communicate in game. I am not a good speaker and I love to play and have fun and I will do my best to not take over mic, which I find funny that I have done that. however, I do communicate what is going on in game, but I wish more would share with others calling out things in game. Oh well.
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Just to comment on this statement about Kitty? (Kittie) I do my best to be balance and I am sorry for being a little wild over mic at times. I am very proud of myself for even speaking in game at all, because I don't like my voice, I never liked speaking in game, I am shy at times, but not everyone knows that I force myself to speak. I have learned to embrace who I am and learn to use my voice to try to communicate in game. I am not a good speaker and I love to play and have fun and I will do my best to not take over mic, which I find funny that I have done that. however, I do communicate what is going on in game, but I wish more would share with others calling out things in game. Oh well.
This thread is not about you, go make a brand new one. Please stay on topic.
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Just to comment on this statement about Kitty? (Kittie) I do my best to be balance and I am sorry for being a little wild over mic at times. I am very proud of myself for even speaking in game at all, because I don't like my voice, I never liked speaking in game, I am shy at times, but not everyone knows that I force myself to speak. I have learned to embrace who I am and learn to use my voice to try to communicate in game. I am not a good speaker and I love to play and have fun and I will do my best to not take over mic, which I find funny that I have done that. however, I do communicate what is going on in game, but I wish more would share with others calling out things in game. Oh well.
You're all good. There were just a few weeks there where it was like the Kittie show.
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Vector should be unbanned. The mute functionality is there for a reason. People have me muted. People have Vector muted. Other people have others muted individually. Vector plays the game and never talks about his personal life. A lot of regulars love playing with him even though he's bonkers and nuts but he is at least enthusiastic and trying to play the game.
1 week ban is overkill and in the heat of the moment. Truthfully if he did attack an admin maybe a gag or do what Enforcer did and put him in "timeout" and ban him for an hour or 30 minutes. I know other Admins just have him (and other players) muted locally and the problem is solved there. Everyone goes on and we can enjoy our nightly evening gaming for the few hours that we do every night.
FREE VECTORALPHA.
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I have been on topic my friend, but as you can see others are talking about me, so I am replying back, so send them a personal message for them to stay on topic! and have them post a new thread about Kitty? Or Kittie. lol Come on guys, think before posting and target the right people who is the root of conversation.
I am only replying once again who is making a statement toward me. Have them again post separately.
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This is not about me, that's a no brainer, However, we all HAVE been the center of Attention, and some continue to make others the focus of attention and they make it known who the flavor of the day or week is. Just a metaphor of who gives attention to someone by name. The point is stop pointing fingers when all of us are guilty. My goodness!!!
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This thread is not about you, go make a brand new one. Please stay on topic.
She was called out by someone, I think she deserves a chance to respond.
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Thank you, broccoli! :)
Very true statement
Precious !
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The weekend off the server should be enough unban Vector! I do not think he did anything wrong he was just being himself.While you are at it you should unban Wagz as well.
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I guess none of us are going to be invited to Vector Alpha's Pool Party now.
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There is nothing more egregious than a dumb fuck with unchecked power, Wolfpup goes on and posts his delusional manifesto about how he is never wrong and begins picking fights with individuals speaking out. Everyone is trying to get through that thick neanderthal skull to tell you that the decision was wrong, meanwhile Enforcer just throws his hands up and doesn't want to be bothered, what a shame.
Unban Vector
Unadmin Wolfpup
Give Sivic Admin
- Sukru
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They hate vector because he is everything they're not - a gregarious king with an olympic sized pool.
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Alexa how do I make corn bread
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Alexa how do I make corn bread
She recommends Waikiki Cornbread from allrecipes and says it takes 45 minutes to make.
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My response to unchecked admin abuse is that my guess and hope is Wolfpup has probably been checked by you people calling for the removal of his admin. Speaks to the love of Vector which he should be incredibly grateful for. I would rather have you guys rail all over the guy for your perception of his wrongdoing and hopefully he takes it under consideration and avoids it further in the future than giving encouragement to the untold many that would look to cause trouble for no good reasons. The devil you know is better than the one you dont. Wolfpup is a known factor as is Vector. One week isnt going to stop Vector from being Vector and unbanning him will still leave Wolfpup as Wolfpup. I have a caring and love for both as they are both people that have decided that this community has enough value to continue to show up. Im not interested in finding out who waits in the wings for the power vacuum that will occur if the unbanning happens to rear their ugly heads and try and smash this community for shits and grins. Its a value judgement on my part and i certainly can see where i could be wrong about it so my ultimate opinion is that its a week ban and the likelihood of anything happening good or bad coming for the continuation of the ban or the lifting of it is inconsequential to any of our lives including Vectors or Wolfpups. I will side with authority over anarchy. Vector was asked to stop by a recognized admin, two even, and he didnt. Whether it was right for the request to be made or not, it was made, and authority has to be respected or there isnt any use in having any admins at all. If you guys think that the server would be better off without admins then there is no helping you... cause thats what ideally admins do. You might not respect Wolfpup or Enforcer but its important to respect the responsibility they hold and Vector didnt. If the police stop you and ask you to do something you dont agree with and you dont think they should ask you to do it, you do it anyway, out of the respect for the authority they have been given and a desire not to get shot and take it up with a higher authority after the fact. If you dont your helping create a bigger problem (like getting shot). We are experiencing the bigger problem Vector helped create when he didnt give that respect by doing what was asked of him by two longstanding admins and taking it up afterwards with a post to these forums or making an appeal directly to Plasma.
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Vector should be unbanned. A lot of regulars love playing with him even though he's bonkers
I heard my name :-*
FREE VECTORALPHA.
Ya! FREE VECTORALPHA
I do love me some VectorAlpha <3
and I wouldn't change a thing about him!!
(now, some of you.. ehhhhhhh)
LMAO!! just kiddin' -- I wouldn't change a thing about any of you :)
--But don't press your luck!!
https://youtu.be/gYMkEMCHtJ4 (https://youtu.be/gYMkEMCHtJ4)
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Vector was asked to stop by a recognized admin, two even, and he didnt.
But he really did stop making calls for about an hour. They just never stopped talking about him so he responded to them talking about him.
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I will side with authority over anarchy.
In this situation, the authority is acting like anarchy. Cowking did nothing but say "this is an unfair ban" and faced a torrent of insults and a threat of being banned from Wolfpup. I get respecting authority but this isn't how a respectable authoritative figure should be acting. I care about both these souls too and I agree there's something to be said about the power vacuum that could be created from going back on the decision or the removal of admin status. That being said:
The point of being an admin is to enforce the rules & create a positive environment that players want to come back to-- If I was Cowking & an admin called me a pussy, a cunt, threatened to ban me; I would leave and never come back. Cowking did nothing wrong. From the footage posted, it sounds like Vector was being called out after all ready following what was directed of him & when that happens-- I totally understand his desire to defend himself. Wolfpup was simply having a bad day, found a target & attacked him to give himself the endorphin rush that comes along with power.
Going off what Infinite said-- when more than half the active members on the server are in support of removing the ban, I think it's safe to assume that instead of creating an environment where people think they can get away with disrespecting the authority, the population will agree that everyone's in the wrong here & it may even strengthen some relationships. Everyone can agree that we all want Hyperion to last & we aren't in support of killing off something most of us having been coming back to for years and I think a large part of that comes with reversing something a lot of us feel was an unnecessary mobbing of a valued member of the community.
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The following screenshot is the conversation from me and Enforcer.
https://i.imgur.com/IDlqiPN.jpg
When Wolfcunt did the ban on Vector I messaged Enforcer hey enforcer its not fair you know then Enforcer replied what isnt. When I replied him ban vector that's when Enforcer calling me a pussy and a cunt then I replied tbh we don't really have a say to any this. When Wolfcunt was insulting and threatening me my final message to Enforcer was i am going to let it go because at that point I understood if I say another word I would be in the same boat with Vector.
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But he really did stop making calls for about an hour. They just never stopped talking about him so he responded to them talking about him.
Could you guys push my karma back up?
Edit: ugh, I've been smited further
2nd Edit: OK, someone is gaming the karma system
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In this situation, the authority is acting like anarchy. Cowking did nothing but say "this is an unfair ban" and faced a torrent of insults and a threat of being banned from Wolfpup. I get respecting authority but this isn't how a respectable authoritative figure should be acting. I care about both these souls too and I agree there's something to be said about the power vacuum that could be created from going back on the decision or the removal of admin status. That being said:
The point of being an admin is to enforce the rules & create a positive environment that players want to come back to-- If I was Cowking & an admin called me a pussy, a cunt, threatened to ban me; I would leave and never come back. Cowking did nothing wrong. From the footage posted, it sounds like Vector was being called out after all ready following what was directed of him & when that happens-- I totally understand his desire to defend himself. Wolfpup was simply having a bad day, found a target & attacked him to give himself the endorphin rush that comes along with power.
Going off what Infinite said-- when more than half the active members on the server are in support of removing the ban, I think it's safe to assume that instead of creating an environment where people think they can get away with disrespecting the authority, the population will agree that everyone's in the wrong here & it may even strengthen some relationships. Everyone can agree that we all want Hyperion to last & we aren't in support of killing off something most of us having been coming back to for years and I think a large part of that comes with reversing something a lot of us feel was an unnecessary mobbing of a valued member of the community.
Therein lies the question. Do these two ever have a good day? I have excalibur muted but from what I recall he was generally miserable, liked to bring others down and extremely insulting. Seemingly hiding behind his admin badge. Wolfpup seems miserable. Demanding others play what he insists or he makes the team know he isnt happy and steady complaining about his health. That being said, if you arent happy is this your protected source to make others unhappy? And if you arent healthy maybe hours of gaming isnt for you. If your back hurts then maybe some exercise should be prescribed.
I come here to relax. Laugh. Deflect rockets. Laugh. Taunt and teabag. Laugh. This is relaxation for me after a stressful day. NOT the stressful part of the day itself.
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authority has to be respected or there isnt any use in having any admins at all.
My old server admin team had to review controversial bans like this sometimes, and part of that process was apologizing and reversing them if they were made in the heat of the moment, or if an admin did not enforce the rules fairly. It sucks to do it, but eating crow doesn't kill people. It helps them grow as admins if they are truly paying attention. Being unable to admit the mistake and remove the punishment is a sign of weakness in a leadership team.
Outside of the ban issue - you can't have leaders who threaten people. Not even if they "apologize" when they get caught in multiple video clips. People can have bad days, but leaders can't.
If the police stop you and ask you to do something you dont agree with and you dont think they should ask you to do it, you do it anyway, out of the respect for the authority they have been given and a desire not to get shot and take it up with a higher authority after the fact. If you dont your helping create a bigger problem (like getting shot). We are experiencing the bigger problem Vector helped create when he didnt give that respect by doing what was asked of him by two longstanding admins and taking it up afterwards with a post to these forums or making an appeal directly to Plasma.
Dude, I don't know if you've seen the news in the last 2-3 years, but this police comparison is more spot on that you know...just for the flip side of things. We have had unprecedented civil unrest over being unable to trust the police to police correctly, and being unable to trust their peers to come forward when needed. People have died over this issue. Police have been fired, sued and jailed for not enforcing the laws fairly. When you have proof someone in authority isn't acting in your best interests anymore you cut them out like a cancer. You don't give the cancer a quiet corner to live in and hope it stays to itself.
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Therein lies the question. Do these two ever have a good day? I have excalibur muted but from what I recall he was generally miserable, liked to bring others down and extremely insulting. Seemingly hiding behind his admin badge. Wolfpup seems miserable. Demanding others play what he insists or he makes the team know he isnt happy and steady complaining about his health. That being said, if you arent happy is this your protected source to make others unhappy? And if you arent healthy maybe hours of gaming isnt for you. If your back hurts then maybe some exercise should be prescribed.
I come here to relax. Laugh. Deflect rockets. Laugh. Taunt and teabag. Laugh. This is relaxation for me after a stressful day. NOT the stressful part of the day itself.
I understand what you're saying but my thoughts are "I'm not trying to overthrow the government", I'm just asking the leaders to reconsider a decision that has upset so many & sign the petition. If this were a mapvote, Vector would be unbanned, unfortunately it's not & like Cowking said, there's probably little we can do to change the situation at hand other than say "I'm Spartacus"
Personally, I feel like Enforcer's irate nature is one of the reasons I appreciate him as a admin. However, in the case of Cowking speaking out-- I think this is a very wrong handling of the situation. I view Cowking as the greatest merc in TF2, outweighting popular names like B4nny. I feel he's the one-true-jack-of-all-trades merc & a large reason why I keep coming back to the server, to treat the best player in TF2 like he's another john.smith230 is wrong.
What upsets me most about this situation is that his request was met with such a toxic response from more than one admin. Again, I don't think toppling the power is going to do anything but make it an awkward place for awhile but I do think it's the responsibility of the admins to consider the voice of the people. When one group of people rise to more power than the other, it starts to feel like a tyranny.
I think it's the responsibility of the admins, to treat the community and the rules with respect, it makes sense that Enforcer would want to take action with Vector's back-talk to him but again-- that's nothing a mute couldn't solve. A week-long ban seems excessive & a threaten to ban Cowking seems entirely out of the question.
I think the resolution I would like to see is an apology from both sides for acting out of emotion, rather than reason & an unban for Vector. Something to bring us together instead of separating us further apart. It takes two-to-tango and I'm tired of dancing.
I won't weigh in anymore on this situation, or parrot all ready articulated ideas & leave it up to whatever the admins rule.
Chuch.
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I personally did not know that Admin use-of-power was such a controversial thing on this server until this thread.
I'm not on this server or in TF2 to express my personal feelings about myself or my perspective of the world during a match. For me, game-time is a time to let loose the restraints from the duldrum of daily responsibility, thus my often intoxication. Same thing when I go out dancing, or sword fighting in the SCA (look it up). To some it comes across as a character, to others an attention-seeker, to the ones who have some inner undersatnding of themselves thay see it as it is, a good natured guy just having fun. ...maybe too much loud fun, but fun ntl. It does not matter that some mute me, was suprised that some folks I really like mute me, and not surprised that not everyone likes everyone else.
What I learned about myself is that the real concern is not that I'm disturbing the game with my talk, but in order to participate as a team player better I could take heed of the positive feedback and LISTEN more to what the other players are commenting on and go from there. Aye, I hear yee, I too want to have fun interactions with everyone while playing, so "calm-my-roll" while on the chat. Got it. No excuses but when I play a 'game' I intend to get smashed and have a blast! Don't mean I can't listen and as you could see from those videos I was on a verbal reprimand to "shut the fuck up" and I was attempting my best to be quiet. But then the (apparently Admin people) continued to roast me in chat, then with free rein to say what they didn't like/care about me to everyone while I was sitting in the chat "time-out" corner, yeah, that's not going to happen, I have more respect for myself than that.
That's where my interpretation of Bullying comes from. Abusing your social elevation to shape the shared experience we are all having to befit your personal agenda. That is NOT a concern for the greater good, that is an out-of-touch-with-self-therefore-unable-to-empathise-with-others vendetta style of lording over the environment. And yeah, that doesn't really belong in any open-join kind of game play where you're going to get a slew of personalities showing up. The great built in function TF2 allows is "mute player". Personality problem solved; don't like what they have to say, so don't have to hear it.
My over all take on TF2: I Orange Boxed my origins into Team Fortress, mostly Death Match stuff in the beginning. I finally found a server of veterans (years ago now) called Slaughterhouse, where I really learned what team play was all about in TF2. Slaughter eventually dried up and I was fortunate to find another "serious-skilled" server of TF2 players, Hyperion. Let me top that off by saying I am humbled everytime I realize I am about to play a Hyperion match. Every one of you folks are a super skilled batch of TF2 players and I just know I am about to have a super fun time! I come in with a positive attitude about the game-play I am about to experience, and you'll often see me type "Fun" at the end of a round, even when we get steam-rolled. As for my loud chat repeats, sure I will say "left,left,left" (my in-game thoughts are that some people are pre-occupied with whats in front of them and may not be currently knowledgeable on where the current main pressure points are on the map) but in my positive favor I also have some other repeating chat sayings that I'm hopeing is inspiring the team, such as "Get behind them" or "They don't like it", or "great job so-and-so, lost that cap but you did a great job defending". Before the recent auto-join feature, if I joined a match and saw the teams were 16/15 spread, and even though there were people I didn't care for on the lesser-playered team, I would still join that team to try and keep the TF2 gameplay balanced and fair - you get it, even-odds. Again, not here for personal gains, you can see I'm not an uber K/D player and I'm not concerned about having the best score at the end of a match, I just love the game and I want to win a match just as much as everyone else does.
On that note let me point out what I do feel about TF2 game-play. Just so you know I have NEVER muted anyone, and I rarely participate in a vote ban unless the reason is readily apparent or pointed out to me as to why. I want to hear what everyone is saying cause damn, here we all are and some people are just kooks, whatever. From my past 15 years TF2 experiences, to ban someone from a server is like because of a serious capitol offense. It is not a casual thing to be used, admin or player-vote induced. If some one is mic-spamming - playing none-stop music or repeative sounds that disrupt the game-play (remember I mute no-one) - or talking personal perspectives on the world-at-large or especially racism or trying to stir up discord in the chat in some fashion, THAT is when a ban should probably occur imho. Again, the first step for the average TF2 player who don't like what someone else is saying is a simple mute.
That being said, my hope is that this forum/thread post leads to a greater goal of keeping the Hyperion experience as good clean fun. I've seen that others are abused too, that some folks don't care for others play style but have the common believe of how/when rules should be applied and can straight forward mute instead of suppress.
Oh, and I think I know where the repeated "Left,Left,Left" comes from. I had 4 younger sisters growing up and, for example, in order to 'get back in the roller coaster line as fast as we could', I would have to yell out to them "Hurry up, get back in the line, on the Left, Left, Left!"
And though I mention no names here, I do want to point out one name: Kittie: you are an amazing person with a great perspective on life and we are all fortunate here on Hyperion to have you play with us. Please speak your mind whenever you want to, it's encouraging to have a positive person on board and the rare woman who can hang with a bunch of nerdy game-playing dudes!
Thank you all for the #freevector support ("Vector Mandela" made me lol), it appears this thread had an overall cathartic effect for everyone on the server. Sure did open my eyes!
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FREE VECTOR!
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And a special thank you to my in-server friends Zed and Cowking and Yezey (not you Ataris... ok maybe you too) and all of you who contributed to the thread, even those who don't care for me personally; I admire your kindness, your insight and your support. I am humbled by all of your mighty game-play styles!
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Nothing will be done or change. Nobody will admit they made a mistake.
See you in game on Friday night, Vector. Maybe we can all queue up for casual together before then.
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Well, he's back and we have more shitty admins now to boot. I'm mostly playing other games now...
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So, I understand that since I was critical about admins and posted in this forum, that Wolfpup and Enforcer prefer that I play elsewhere. I've complied and more or less just stopped playing the game. I've come back about three times in the past two or three months, but I intend on leaving you alone since I don't want to be where I'm not welcome. I have a fairly stressful job and I like to play games to unwind, not engage in drama.
That being said, this community should leave me alone as well. I'm not hacking your server and I would never do anything like that. I've been playing the game for what seems like forever and I do love the game and the community servers in general. I'm just a bit worn out, have less patience, and am perhaps too sensitive. Please stop investigating my hacking activities because it's annoying and a waste of your time. You should consider some of the other people who have actively hacked on the server before. Wasn't there some dude who was coming in and hacking and griefing and somehow avoiding bans right when this wolfpup stuff went down? Shouldn't they be a suspect rather than me who left you alone when you told me not to play on the server anymore?