I shouldnt have to explain this over and over but...

This is a 15 year old free to play non competitive game. Playing with people you enjoy playing with as well as NOT playing with people you dont enjoy playing with and dont like you isnt "team stacking". The problem with that is those same people often end up yelling at their team mates to change classes, some will assign themselves team leader and begin barking at team mates on how to attack or defend, what to play, etc., complain about the loss and are generally cancerous to the team itself with their demands and anger. on the other team there is laughing and call outs and that team generally smashes the team thats constantly yelling at others. I dont come here to be yelled at, bossed or told what to do. Heres a pro tip. I play this game so I have fun. I dont play it so YOU have fun. There was a group that developed there for awhile that generally did not include the people above and the skill level, as well as general civility on the team was destroying the opposite team. Not team stacking. Gaming enjoyment.

I'd like to note that this is not a knock on Enzo personally. I do not know him. And discussing factual events that have a negative impact is not being disrespectful.

Good Evening,

I'm posting this here because it doesn't look like I can post in the TF2 sections.  I just happen to be in the forums today because Smile posted a poll and I was solicited for a response, and I feel like I would be remiss if I didn't leave an opinion on the current state of the admins for the payload server.  I criticized some of the things Enzo was doing when he was first given the admin powers, and I think it is totally natural that someone in a new position might be rough around the edges until they gain the necessary experience.  Instead of welcoming any such discussions, he just immediately muted me, then started talking shit about me.  It would have been a lot cooler if he would have engaged with me and at least talked shit to me when I had the opportunity to respond, but alas.   So, here are my criticisms in writing.  Enzo does a lot of crap that really turns the players off.  Some of the more disruptive actions are team scrambling seconds before the round starts leaving the red engies with no buildings, changing the map on the server multiple times in just a few minutes, forcing a map change to something only he wants to play when the whole server voted for a different map, not being open to map suggestions made by the community and assuming only he has good taste in maps, and not accepting any feedback about his actions as admin.  Out of all of these things the worst thing he does is change the server to a map he wants to play, then having a bunch of people leave because they don't want to play it, then changing the map one or two more times in the span of ten minutes, which really just makes sure that anyone who didn't leave the first time ends up leaving on the subsequent map changes.  He basically seems to think that if he just shakes the baby more, it will stop crying.  You're not going to just magically find a map that people want to play, and then have a bunch of people join right away.  There aren't 32 people sitting in the server browser waiting for the specific map they like.  Honestly, at this point, plenty of people are aware of Hyperion.  There are only a few decent community servers left with custom maps and 32 players.  You're not going to retain these players if you continue abusing your admin powers, and you're not going to fill the server by changing maps three times in ten minutes.

Also, waiting until after you've muted me to talk shit is super weak sauce.  If you're muting me to end the discussion, then end the discussion.  Don't bring up the fact that you have me muted over and over to rub it in.

Thank you,
Alain Reid

See new post. 3x this week. And that was only the 3 nights I was on. This really does need to be addressed. Its detrimental to the servers health and the players ability to just play the game.

These were sent over. Good times. So I had just joined the server. Literally. First game of the night. Kittie screaming maniacally about spies but refused to throw a single heal on me. Hey kittie, pro tip. You want spy protection? Heal a pyro.

Pappa woody can you be on our team mentally? If you notice, after just joining, im mid way up the board. Of course, enforcer is talking trash as usual. Its my understanding he was bitching and whining before I got there and once I joined I became the target for his anger. Sad little man. I cant even hear him which to me is hilarious. But enforcer, please make up your mind. As I left to refresh my spray and rejoined you threatened to ban me. When I rejoined on your team, which I don't want to be on anyway, you want me to go to the other team. Stop being a juvenile ass. I realize the authority you have here is the biggest thing going in your life. I promise you if I can join the team I want I'll never be on your team. Of course, you had to change it to be that way because a LOT of folks would join the team opposite you and it would always be a slaughter.

Kittie - pappa woody help us


I am helping kittie. Dont worry about me though. You worry about you. Im at their spawn deflecting rockets into it, holding 3 people back from getting out, blowing back an uber medic/heavy from the cart and putting people on fire out. AND always checking for spies. Notice the board there. After literally just joining im mid way up. So clearly, im playing the game. Again, if you need help from spies feel free to change classes or actually heal for once and you'll get spy protection. If you remember one thing. Remember this. I dont play this game so YOU have fun. I play so I have fun.

Act like adults people. I didnt elect a team leader. I always play the game. You're not my boss. Dont tell me how or what to play. After 20 years in this game I figure I've got a pretty good idea of how it works.

In this situation, the authority is acting like anarchy. Cowking did nothing but say "this is an unfair ban" and faced a torrent of insults and a threat of being banned from Wolfpup. I get respecting authority but this isn't how a respectable authoritative figure should be acting. I care about both these souls too and I agree there's something to be said about the power vacuum that could be created from going back on the decision or the removal of admin status. That being said:

The point of being an admin is to enforce the rules & create a positive environment that players want to come back to-- If I was Cowking & an admin called me a pussy, a cunt, threatened to ban me; I would leave and never come back. Cowking did nothing wrong. From the footage posted, it sounds like Vector was being called out after all ready following what was directed of him & when that happens-- I totally understand his desire to defend himself. Wolfpup was simply having a bad day, found a target & attacked him to give himself the endorphin rush that comes along with power.

Going off what Infinite said-- when more than half the active members on the server are in support of removing the ban, I think it's safe to assume that instead of creating an environment where people think they can get away with disrespecting the authority, the population will agree that everyone's in the wrong here & it may even strengthen some relationships. Everyone can agree that we all want Hyperion to last & we aren't in support of killing off something most of us having been coming back to for years and I think a large part of that comes with reversing something a lot of us feel was an unnecessary mobbing of a valued member of the community.

Therein lies the question. Do these two ever have a good day? I have excalibur muted but from what I recall he was generally miserable, liked to bring others down and extremely insulting. Seemingly hiding behind his admin badge. Wolfpup seems miserable. Demanding others play what he insists or he makes the team know he isnt happy and steady complaining about his health. That being said, if you arent happy is this your protected source to make others unhappy? And if you arent healthy maybe hours of gaming isnt for you. If your back hurts then maybe some exercise should be prescribed.

 I come here to relax. Laugh. Deflect rockets. Laugh. Taunt and teabag. Laugh. This is relaxation for me after a stressful day. NOT the stressful part of the day itself.

"Are you conservative.." Thanks for reinforcing what we're saying. We really dont care about your politics. Clearly, left leaning and if anyone disagrees they are punished.

"Accuse others that which you yourself are guilty" - Joseph Goebbels, Hitlers propoganda minister.

Text book.

AHAHAHAH!

Are you Conservative? Cause you are taking one right out of their playbook! 'gets held accountable, then plays the victim'

Whitewash much?

We ask you to stop SCREAMING INTO THE MIC, the same sentence over and over and over and over and over! You "speaking up for yourself" sure sounds like telling us to "fuck off" and "shut the fuck up" and the like.

It doesn't give you the right to do the aforementioned
 

Nice terminology. We have both told you repeatedly we have no issue with you talking! We do have issue with you screaming what basically equates to mic spamming!

Did your parents ever hold you accountable for your actions growing up? Because it sure doesn't seem so. Or they did and you decided to just throw their good parenting in their face for internet lolz. We simply hold you to account for your screaming and yelling. But yeah, let's call it bullying.

They will simply point you to do what you are doing here, bring it to the owners attention and take it up with them.

One mans accountability is another mans abuse I guess. It would be a crying shame rather than you manning up, stopping screaming the same shit over and over in game and we all carry on fragging each other in game. Punishing Plasma because you can't follow the rules seems wrong, no? Same question to his friends? I know several of you don't like me, that's fine, but to act like what he does is ok just to take a stable at me, not cool.
 
Oh I beg to differ. (And you spelled "screaming" wrong.) Maybe your to busy screaming "Up the left team Up the left everybody we're going up the left come on people up the left" to hear them, maybe?

Yes, they do. I am not an individual, I am an admin so I have to be able to respond to any request without having to go in an un-mute players to do so.

And again, I have told you several times I have no issue with you talking game talk like the rest of the people do, it the repetitive screaming we have issue with! But you play the victim.

Let's start right there....and Vector thinks I have person feelings in this?

Yes, yes I did, and was I wrong? Why yes I was. I do apologize to you and Zed but I'm at the end of my rope with Vector, and I'm not alone. (See Vector, that's how you own up to something you've done wrong, you apologize and endeavour not to do it again.) So the last think I need to hear is people trying to make me out like the bad guy here when Vector has had ample verbal warnings, temp mic bans, and lets be clear here, this, my first time EVER banning Vector!! ...for a week. And this is over months, and months! It can not be argued he was not given ample warnings, dare I say more than some would have received. (Partially because I knew this here thread was the exact outcome I was trying to avoid. We all know there are lines in the sand drawn!) Now he has to man up, deal with the consequences of his actions and in a weeks time he can come play again. Hopefully learning something in that time. You act like he's been IP banned or something!

After everything I've typed previously, please do share how this is "not fare"?

Who claimed you were personally targeting them???

Says the guy who takes any comment, not even directed at him at times as personal! I was making the whole team aware we don't need more that 2 snipers. I didn't even know you were auto-balanced nor playing sniper but you assumed it was directed solely at you. It had nothing to do with accepting you were auto-balanced. Another victim.
 

You should hear the things people say about you, you apparently bring some of the weird drama yourself! But right, you are the victim because you read more into something than was implied. My bad.

LMFAO! What list? I didn't give 2 shit's one way or another about it......when I read it only recently!!! Again, you have perceived some slight were there was none.

What would you do, after he has been muted MANY times in the past, asked nicely to please stop, just for him to start right back up if not the next day. Then more recently just telling us to shut the fuck up and fuck off.

Obviously the soft approach has failed. So, what would you do, seriously, what is left to try? And again, it's for 7 days.....SEVEN DAYS. You'd think I was looking to string him up or something.

And as mentioned you are correct, I shouldn't have done it no questions!

And here is were part of this whole thing started to go south, IMO. I've always been open and honest with my opinion about the auto-join, I'm not a fan. Beforehand, it was understood "Blu" team didn't care about Vector's screaming, if they did they just muted him and they prefer to not talk as much other than in game call outs. Those of us on "Red" team prefer not to hear it, and like to talk outside game stuff. Some on Blu don't like to play Red because, and visa versa for the opposite reasons.

So with the auto-scramble people are forced to play with people they'd rather not, or don't get to play with their friends like before.


He can be from time to time yes, I would agree.

It's been known to happen.

See previous statement on this!


Please, tell me I've never said out loud that I try and over-heal everyone around me because it increases MY survivability. Do I pocket Enforcer a lot? Yup, because he's proven time and time again I can count on him to accomplish something unlike others. Do I only uber him, at time, but ask the others who I trust to uber if I never pocket for them.


Well after all these years playing, yes, 3 engies and 3 medics tend to help red hold the objective better than with less. Are there times we do fine with less? Sure! But I'd hazard a good guess more often than not 3+3 wins out more often than not 3+3. I bet it's been the reason a steam roll has been squashed, quite often by me asking people to fill the rolls in this TEAM based game.


Lol, you got me.

What, you mean like help me to survive so I can continue to heal, and over-heal everyone around me? The nerve eh? How dare I request my team support their medics! (Engies give us a front line to fall back to and medics obviously help in staying alive, it aint rocket science.

I'll start by saying sorry to you for threatening to ban you. I was wrong! They were idol threats BTW. (The old Zed would have known that.)

Damn, you guys are good. You have me all figured out now don't'cha.

Yet someone else with the "personal feelings" I supposedly was using. At least be a creative troll if you are going to troll.

Like Vector, you spelled "scream" wrong.

Sorry, does me having friends, to whom the comments are directed offend you for some reason? You can always mute me, like others keep suggesting in this thread. So Zed, I'm the same I've always been. I've always talked with Enforcer, Colo, Reggie, in game. Why now is it an issue?

So, I put it to you as well, after many temp comm bans, asking him nicely, then demanding it of him he stop, to no avail, what would you do?


If he spoke, it wouldn't be an issue.

Repeating the same thing over and over at the top of your lungs, even if game tips is not positive or helpful.

Addressed

Do share

Sorry if me being blunt about my life is too much for. I wasn't talking to you anyway.

You make it like I do it on a daily basis. Who do I threaten, and with what? (Other than last night seeing I already addressed it.)

I'm fine with whatever Plasma wants to do but some of you are outright LYING in this thread! If you don't like me, fine, mute me, but don't let your "personal feelings" make you lie just because you don't like me or my decisions.

In my experience this is the essence of Wolfpup. He assigns himself team leader of every team. And if you dont play what he demands, it angers him. Of course, if you lose, he told you so and will remind you. If you win, his back hurts.

Toxic. People come here to unwind. If I wanted to get yelled at I would have gotten married. I dont need a boss in a 15 year old non comp F2P game. Besides that, who are you to give me play advice?

I guess Wolfpup was having a bad day, he was even yelling at Hankey before the ban happened (and who ever yells at Hankey?  .... j/k don't answer that question LOL):



I don't have any video of the Vector ban itself unfortunately.  I was on the other team when it happened and heard about it after the fact, so it's hard to form an unbiased opinion. 

That said, from all the comments here and from everything else I heard, it appears Vector was banned out of emotion, and not because he broke any server rules.  (but prove me wrong otherwise, maybe there's something I missed).

We all know Vector can consume the voice channel with high utilization (which a precious resource since there is only 1 channel per team).  And muting is the only option you can if you're in the latter group, but understandably this function is far from perfect and has other consequences.  Anyway, everyone has an opinion on him, love him or hate him. 

There's varying levels of skill and try-hardness on this server as well.  I'm very competitive inside, and want to win most of the time, but no matter what I'm always looking to have fun.  So much so, that I made a youtube channel to post any crazy or funny moment that I witnessed, or was a part of.  I love this community and hope to be part of it for a long time to come.